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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 09:59 am

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For those of you in the uk...when is St. Georges day? Why dont we celebrate it like burns night, St Patricks day, etc. etc



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:10 am

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Trixyminx wrote: I am less educated than you.
I doubt it.



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:15 am

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patron saints days are for expats, that's why



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:23 am

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fergy wrote: For those of you in the uk...when is St. Georges day? Why dont we celebrate it like burns night, St Patricks day, etc. etc
As I've said before, it's the same day as Shakespeare's birthday (and the date he died too) 23rd April.



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 04:10 pm

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dooley wrote: patron saints days are for expats, that's why

St George was an expat :cool:



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 04:25 pm

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IMO its just name calling.

unless you would actually mean someone physical harm.



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 04:58 pm

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In the run up to last weekends big boxing match, Bernard Hopkins shouted into Joe Calzaghes face that he `would not be beaten by no white boy`,I wonder what sort of reaction there would have been if Calzaghe had made any reference to skin colour in reply,sensibly he did not and let his boxing do his talking.



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 Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 05:15 pm

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johnktm wrote: In the run up to last weekends big boxing match, Bernard Hopkins shouted into Joe Calzaghes face that he `would not be beaten by no white boy`,I wonder what sort of reaction there would have been if Calzaghe had made any reference to skin colour in reply,sensibly he did not and let his boxing do his talking.

agreed, if Calzaghe said

"i am not going to be beaten by a black boy"

all hell would of broken loose! you cant have 1 rule for 1 and a different for another.

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   A local Texas town Mayor recently tried to enforce a total ban on the word "Nigger" and issue a $500 ticket for each utterance of the word, a good thing huh, uh uh, who do you suppose was up in arms, calling it a racist law, yep, you guessed it, the local black people, the law went nowhere. Go figure that one out. :?

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Earlier this year in Texas, a white mayor proposed a fine up to $500 for saying the n-word in Brazoria, a suburb of Houston with a population of 2,800, about 10 percent black. Mayor Ken Corley later dropped the proposal amid opposition from residents who said the ordinance would divide people more than unite.

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 Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 05:39 am

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chilidawg wrote:    A local Texas town Mayor recently tried to enforce a total ban on the word "Nigger" and issue a $500 ticket for each utterance of the word, a good thing huh, uh uh, who do you suppose was up in arms, calling it a racist law, yep, you guessed it, the local black people, the law went nowhere. Go figure that one out. :?

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Earlier this year in Texas, a white mayor proposed a fine up to $500 for saying the n-word in Brazoria, a suburb of Houston with a population of 2,800, about 10 percent black. Mayor Ken Corley later dropped the proposal amid opposition from residents who said the ordinance would divide people more than unite.


I can see why - unless you're going to introduce a ticket for all racial slants it would be deemed as discriminatory against the one singled out race. i.e. why are they so special? Are we saying that they are oversensitive? etc.



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YoungCruiser wrote:  you cant have 1 rule for 1 and a different for another.


BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAA.........:D

Bless- he's so young and innocent.



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 Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 08:19 am

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you can't blame southern blacks for getting worried when someone says " ban "niggers""



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 Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 09:00 am

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The colour of a person's skin is entirely immaterial. It's how they conduct themselves that matters. Anyone born in Britain is my brother or sister. End of story. But of those not born here (of all shades) I'm more cautious because of the motives of some of them. Do our new arrivals help the economy? I don't know for sure because there's so much conflicting info on the matter. That Britain is overcrowded there is no doubt. We are the second most densely populated nation in Europe after Holland, with an average of 600 people per square kilometre. It seems reasonable to arrange for some form of limitation on incoming numbers. How this is done is up to you. But it's not racist inspired.



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YoungCruiser wrote: johnktm wrote: In the run up to last weekends big boxing match, Bernard Hopkins shouted into Joe Calzaghes face that he `would not be beaten by no white boy`,I wonder what sort of reaction there would have been if Calzaghe had made any reference to skin colour in reply,sensibly he did not and let his boxing do his talking.

agreed, if Calzaghe said

"i am not going to be beaten by a black boy"

all hell would of broken loose! you cant have 1 rule for 1 and a different for another.

If only that were the case...



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very interesting reading.

disclaimer: none of the views/beliefs held by examples in this post are held by myself


its not only white people that can be racist - just because originally racism stemmed from whites (from herein i'll just type 'wankers' for short) we're all tarred with the same brush.

personally i think that anyone, whatever colour they are, who discriminates against another because of their colour is just as bad as these 'wankers', but i think political correctness has gone too far, possibly even to the extent of institutionally discriminating against whites now - for example, businesses have to fill their 'quota' of minority ethnicities or else be accused of racism - so this sometimes means that a white person more qualified for the job may not get the job if theres a black [or other 'minority'] person applying and the company's 'quota' isnt met. (that hasnt come out right - but you get the picture). this, and other examples, is leading to further racism - for example - i know people who are mighty pissed off about this situation and confess that they are indeed racist. One believes that we need a civil war to kill all british muslims... this is the result of generally over compensating.

bsically we have to be sensible - not act like total pricks and wankers, but at the same time - not o be over-zealous in combatting these twats as te effect may well be the opposite to the intended result.



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KaiMan wrote: chilidawg wrote:    A local Texas town Mayor recently tried to enforce a total ban on the word "Nigger" and issue a $500 ticket for each utterance of the word, a good thing huh, uh uh, who do you suppose was up in arms, calling it a racist law, yep, you guessed it, the local black people, the law went nowhere. Go figure that one out. :?

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Earlier this year in Texas, a white mayor proposed a fine up to $500 for saying the n-word in Brazoria, a suburb of Houston with a population of 2,800, about 10 percent black. Mayor Ken Corley later dropped the proposal amid opposition from residents who said the ordinance would divide people more than unite.


I can see why - unless you're going to introduce a ticket for all racial slants it would be deemed as discriminatory against the one singled out race. i.e. why are they so special? Are we saying that they are oversensitive? etc.



    No! But I will tell you why they where so incensed about it, and this was widely reported and accepted here when all this was going down, because the black people use the word all the time and they saw it as an attack on their culture by a white administration.

   Not the culture that we all respect them for, the one with enforced slavery at the core, that went out with their Grandma's and Grandpa's, but the hip hop / rap gang culture that makes it OK for them to refer to their friends as nigga and their girlfriends as bitches and ho's. They, were the ones in danger of copping a $500 fine every 5 minutes.

   The ordinance was proposed in an attempt to protect their grandparents from having a word that causes them a great deal of distress, watered down to the point where no-one would care about it. The vast majority of white people where absolutely fine with the ordinance because they don't use the word anyway, out of respect.

    That is the kind of double standard that exists here.   

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Surely whether a word is racist or not depends only on the context and intent of the utterance. "You black rascal" is obviously not racist but "You black twat" obviously is. For me established sayings like "nigger in the woodpile", and dolls called golliwogs aren't racist. The problem is that there is now a "racism" industry that takes itself far too seriously and has far too much influence which defines racism by stupid criteria such as "it's racist if I interperet it as racist". I could be put in prison by the racist fascists for some of the interactions I have with coloured mates and them to me.

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dooley wrote: did it make you think "the guy who wrote that was a fucking moron"?


Not at all. My wife (a UK registered intensive care nurse) was refused a licence 3 times in the Caribbean because she was white when we lived there.

The local medical council was black.

And before you mention positive discrimination, this was despite the fact that there were no other ICU nurses on the island. Three locals died in that time.

After four months she eventually got her licence, but we hd already decided to leave by then.

Racism and Discrimination exisits in many forms. None of them are right.    


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