| Author | Post |
|---|
TimmyMagic
Forum Member
| Joined: | Wed Aug 16th, 2006 |
| Location: | Bedford, England |
| Posts: | 5714 |
| Occupation: | IT bod | | My bikes: | CCM R30S |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 09:37 pm |
|
| Yep, you win, you're right. No hypocrasy their at all....
____________________
Supermoto: Mirror, Signal, Sliiiiiide....
|
kraftwerk
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 14th, 2006 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1159 |
| Occupation: | Head of acq | | My bikes: | Blackbird, X11, FireBlade |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 09:49 pm |
|
| I'm really not trying to 'win' anything and neither am I trying to be awkward, but please explain it to me. Let's simplify it: the BNP are cunts, right? On this we can agree, surely? So, anyone who votes for them is a cunt. How is that hypocritical? How can condemnation of bigots be bigoted in itself?
____________________
We are programmed just to do, anything you want us to.... We are The Robots
|
HCR
Forum Member
| Joined: | Sat Mar 24th, 2007 |
| Location: | North, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1154 |
| Occupation: | Bumpkin | | My bikes: | Briggs & Stratton 148cc |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 10:01 pm |
|
Are people getting bigotry (obstinate adherance to an opinion) confused with discrimination (differentiating through difference)?
Discrimination can be both reasonable and unreasonable. If I were employing a babysitter it would be perfectly reasonable to discriminate on the grounds of previous criminal conviction but totally unreasonable to do so on the grounds of race.
It is therefore discriminatory to take a dislike to supporters of the aims of the BNP, but probably perfectly reasonable to do so.
____________________
Hoc vincit
|
kraftwerk
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 14th, 2006 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1159 |
| Occupation: | Head of acq | | My bikes: | Blackbird, X11, FireBlade |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 10:12 pm |
|
Maybe. I guess if we use the simplest description of bigotry, ie: intolerance, and I'd certainly admit to being intolerant of bigots, then I'm a bigot and a hypocrite. But given the circumstances and subject matter, there has to be some leeway.
If one condemns, say, Nazis (away from whom the BNP lie only a short step), does that make one a bigot and a hypocrite? I'd hardly say so.Last edited on Fri May 9th, 2008 10:21 pm by kraftwerk
____________________
We are programmed just to do, anything you want us to.... We are The Robots
|
HCR
Forum Member
| Joined: | Sat Mar 24th, 2007 |
| Location: | North, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1154 |
| Occupation: | Bumpkin | | My bikes: | Briggs & Stratton 148cc |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 10:19 pm |
|
I just noticed my own spectactular tautology.
Whatever you call it, I think it's fair enough to give short shrift to those who propound the principles of racism.
____________________
Hoc vincit
|
TimmyMagic
Forum Member
| Joined: | Wed Aug 16th, 2006 |
| Location: | Bedford, England |
| Posts: | 5714 |
| Occupation: | IT bod | | My bikes: | CCM R30S |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:08 pm |
|
TimmyMagic wrote: kraftwerk wrote: Another four years of Ken was unacceptable - his arrogance could just no longer be tolerated. Paddick's not an option; mostly, for me, down to the fact that he said (I'm paraphrasing) 'I look forward to the day when a private vehicle is seen as socially unacceptable'. Boris says he'll open bus lanes to motorcycles. X marks the spot. We'll see.
As for the BNP - well, anyone who votes for them needs boiling. A hateful, horrible party, appealing to thick, narrow-minded bigots.
Have you ever actually met anyone that has voted BNP?
big·ot  // Audio Help /ˈbɪgət/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Pot kettle?
Look at the 2 bold bits. Can you honestly not see it?
____________________
Supermoto: Mirror, Signal, Sliiiiiide....
|
kraftwerk
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 14th, 2006 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1159 |
| Occupation: | Head of acq | | My bikes: | Blackbird, X11, FireBlade |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:16 pm |
|
| Of course, but can this description actually be applied in every case? I don't think so. Nazis are cunts, right? What's hypocritical about that statement?
____________________
We are programmed just to do, anything you want us to.... We are The Robots
|
TimmyMagic
Forum Member
| Joined: | Wed Aug 16th, 2006 |
| Location: | Bedford, England |
| Posts: | 5714 |
| Occupation: | IT bod | | My bikes: | CCM R30S |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:20 pm |
|
Nothing. But that's not what you said 
Do you agree with every single policy for the party you vote for?
____________________
Supermoto: Mirror, Signal, Sliiiiiide....
|
kraftwerk
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 14th, 2006 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1159 |
| Occupation: | Head of acq | | My bikes: | Blackbird, X11, FireBlade |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:31 pm |
|
TimmyMagic wrote:
Nothing. But that's not what you said
Do you agree with every single policy for the party you vote for?
It was an example of a statement of exactly the same principle. The BNP are cunts, right? So anyone who votes for them is a cunt. That's not hypocritical, it's just a fact. I don't make the facts. Buy maybe some people agree with Ronald Reagan when he said 'Facts are stupid things.'
Of course I don't agree with every single policy of any party, but the BNP preach hatred and division, prey on the weak and the needy as they thuggishly spew forth their bile and evil garbage. I don't have any time for this sort of shite, and am happy to be labelled a hypocrite if this is what makes me so.
____________________
We are programmed just to do, anything you want us to.... We are The Robots
|
TimmyMagic
Forum Member
| Joined: | Wed Aug 16th, 2006 |
| Location: | Bedford, England |
| Posts: | 5714 |
| Occupation: | IT bod | | My bikes: | CCM R30S |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:43 pm |
|
Like I said, I don't care what your political stance is, but I always point out when someone is being a hypocrite 
____________________
Supermoto: Mirror, Signal, Sliiiiiide....
|
kraftwerk
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 14th, 2006 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1159 |
| Occupation: | Head of acq | | My bikes: | Blackbird, X11, FireBlade |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 07:02 am |
|
| That's very public-spirited of you. Full marks.
____________________
We are programmed just to do, anything you want us to.... We are The Robots
|
i never sleep
Forum Member
| Joined: | Sun Dec 9th, 2007 |
| Location: | Sydney, Australia |
| Posts: | 1111 |
| Occupation: | lift mechanic | | My bikes: | GSXR |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 10:03 am |
|
kraftwerk wrote:
the BNP are cunts, right?
Absolutely.
So, anyone who votes for them is a cunt.
Not necessarily. I don't think that the BNP are gaining popularity because people think they are a good option. I think that many normal people all over the UK are feeling scared about the changes they see, and are dissatisfied with inaction or soft policies from the traditional parties.
By voting BNP perhaps they feel they are making a statement to the tories and labour.
Of course, there is always the meathead contingent who are of course, cunts.Last edited on Sat May 10th, 2008 10:03 am by i never sleep
____________________
If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
|
RC45er
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Nov 20th, 2006 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 909 |
| Occupation: | | | My bikes: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 12:56 pm |
|
The only problem that the BNP have for those that use strong language about them is that they don't happen to agree with the people using the strong language. Those people for me are as bad as the BNP in their boorish intolerance. A lot of people are turning to the BNP who have been ignored and let down by mainstream politicians and they aren't cunts. If you live in, say, a Northern mill town and are overwhelmed by and treated worse than immigrants the BNP are an open door and who is to dismiss these people as "racist" in these circumstances? They have grievances and mainstream politicians dismiss the BNP at their peril. The equivalent in France gets more and more powerful and came second in a presidential election once. If they were only against mass uncontrolled immigration into the UK then I would agree with them and that isn't racist.
I don't support the BNP but would use them as a protest vote any time to shake up our mealy mouthed mainstream politicians who basically need a kick up the arse. The BNP has every right to exist in a democracy as long as they don't break the law. The law has been tested against them and they were cleared. Are they any worse than some of the inverse racists in our midsts such as the Imams and their supporters who preach hate against us?
|
Cousin Jack Goudger
Forum Member
| Joined: | Tue Mar 6th, 2007 |
| Location: | The Big Blue Marble |
| Posts: | 1973 |
| Occupation: | ski patroller | | My bikes: | only a (sob!) KLR 650 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 02:28 pm |
|
RC45er wrote:
I don't support the BNP but would use them as a protest vote any time to shake up our mealy mouthed mainstream politicians who basically need a kick up the arse. The BNP has every right to exist in a democracy as long as they don't break the law. The law has been tested against them and they were cleared. Are they any worse than some of the inverse racists in our midsts such as the Imams and their supporters who preach hate against us?
*Kapow!* Right between the eyes............!
____________________
Not all who wander are lost.....and those who are lost sometimes never wander.
|
dooley
Forum Member
| Joined: | Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 3914 |
| Occupation: | 3rd rate shamus | | My bikes: | CBF600CTDi |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 04:42 pm |
|
if you're prepared to vote for the BNP for any reason at all, you're a cunt
____________________
"And I wonder how long I'll hang around
Before I go insane
Before I break down
And get gone again"
|
Reverend Gixxer
Forum Member
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 04:51 pm |
|
dooley wrote:
if you're prepared to vote for the BNP for any reason at all, you're a cunt
A fair point, reasonably argued.
|
kraftwerk
Forum Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 14th, 2006 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1159 |
| Occupation: | Head of acq | | My bikes: | Blackbird, X11, FireBlade |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 05:03 pm |
|
Reverend Gixxer wrote:
dooley wrote:
if you're prepared to vote for the BNP for any reason at all, you're a cunt
A fair point, reasonably argued.
You won't be surprised to hear me lend my support to Dooley's sentiment. Who gives a fuck if they're operating perfectly legally having been tested in the courts? This doesn't stop them and their supporters being cunts. Protest vote? Do me a fucking favour...
____________________
We are programmed just to do, anything you want us to.... We are The Robots
|
i never sleep
Forum Member
| Joined: | Sun Dec 9th, 2007 |
| Location: | Sydney, Australia |
| Posts: | 1111 |
| Occupation: | lift mechanic | | My bikes: | GSXR |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 09:30 pm |
|
I can understand how perfectly normal people could find pictures like this frightening. When people are scared, they take radical steps. Is it any wonder cunts like the BNP are gaining popularity?
From London:Attachment: 300px-Protesters2006.jpg (Downloaded 33 times)
____________________
If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
|
PaulR
Forum Member
| Joined: | Fri Dec 8th, 2006 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 8333 |
| Occupation: | | | My bikes: | |
| Status: |
Online
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 11:12 pm |
|
kraftwerk wrote: Reverend Gixxer wrote:
dooley wrote:
if you're prepared to vote for the BNP for any reason at all, you're a cunt
A fair point, reasonably argued.
You won't be surprised to hear me lend my support to Dooley's sentiment. Who gives a fuck if they're operating perfectly legally having been tested in the courts? This doesn't stop them and their supporters being cunts. Protest vote? Do me a fucking favour...
Yup, Dooley's 100% right as far as I'm concerned. And those who forget history and are condemned to re-live it? They're cunts too. Stupid ones.
____________________
Your advert here
|
bignige
Forum Member
| Joined: | Tue Nov 7th, 2006 |
| Location: | Derby, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 965 |
| Occupation: | gynaecologist | | My bikes: | gsxr1100 and 180 runner.. |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 11:32 pm |
|
i for one am happy to be called.. er whats the word?
oh yes a cunt.
where do i sign....
____________________
suck,squeeze,bang,blow... sounds like a perfect saturday night!
|
Current time is 06:26 pm | Page:   1 2 3 4 5 6 7   |
|
