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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 06:43 am |
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It's amazing that people can slag the BNP for intolerance when they themselves display the same, no even worse, intolerance in that act. They will of course not come from areas where the type of people who get to support the BNP come from or have any understanding of what could drive normal people into the arms of extreme politicians (that is the lesson we need to learn). These people would seek to ban an organisation that they patently have little or no understanding of, a legal organisation that believe me would be prosecuted if they ever did anything illegal, just on the basis that they don't agree with them. Not only that but would then class anybody who would vote for them as a "cunt" whatever reason they had for doing so. Can there really be such morons out there in society, such fascists, such, dare I say it, total cunts?
Nobody with half a brain cell or any knowledge of European history would ever under any cirmstances other than an emotionally befuddled brain, confuse the BNP with the Nazis. the BNP are a bunch of naughty boys thats's all.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 07:14 am |
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you really are too much.
i'll explain it as simply as i can, there are some things that are right and wrong. stealing - wrong, murder -wrong, paedophillia - wrong, racism - wrong. things which are wrong are not to be tolerated.
the BNP may have removed some of the overt racism from their manifesto, but they're still a party that's primarily about racism. and if you're too fucking stupid to see that (as apparently some of you are) then you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 08:38 am |
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| Nothing like the freedom to express an opinion. Much better to lock them all up eh?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 09:17 am |
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dooley wrote: you really are too much.
i'll explain it as simply as i can, there are some things that are right and wrong. stealing - wrong, murder -wrong, paedophillia - wrong, racism - wrong. things which are wrong are not to be tolerated.
the BNP may have removed some of the overt racism from their manifesto, but they're still a party that's primarily about racism. and if you're too fucking stupid to see that (as apparently some of you are) then you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
I never expected such a strong advocacy of what is fundamentally right and wrong from you Dooley. I always saw you as a bloke who was prepared to accept more grey in with his back and white. (sic) On this occassion however I have to say that I wholeheartedly agree with you 110%. It is most specifically that willingness to blur the edges of what is right and what is wrong that most threatens our society. Dressing up racism and calling it something else to a political end is wrong. If there were any right in it at all it might have a greater following but it doesn't and it never will. For that at least, I'm grateful.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:05 am |
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| Dooley, and you present what are simply your own biased opinions as fact and somehow try to force them on others who don't necessarily agree with you. It's known as fascism and is as bad as what the BNP could ever be guilty of. Can I say again, they are a legal organisation in a democracy. If they as much as stray from defined paths they will be prosecuted, they have a lot of support from people who have genuine grievances who have been let down by our mainstream politicians. Who are you to say that they should be banned? The unfortunate thing is that we have fascists on the left and fascists on the right who are totally blinkered and would like to ban each other. There are we, the vast majority in the middle who accept in a democracy that anything legal can exist whether we happen to like it or not.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:24 am |
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maybe you could point out exactly what my biased opinions are?
ian - like i always say - nothing's ever black and white. except sometimes, just occasionallt, it is.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:24 pm |
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RC45er wrote: Dooley, and you present what are simply your own biased opinions as fact and somehow try to force them on others who don't necessarily agree with you. It's known as fascism and is as bad as what the BNP could ever be guilty of. Can I say again, they are a legal organisation in a democracy. If they as much as stray from defined paths they will be prosecuted, they have a lot of support from people who have genuine grievances who have been let down by our mainstream politicians. Who are you to say that they should be banned? The unfortunate thing is that we have fascists on the left and fascists on the right who are totally blinkered and would like to ban each other. There are we, the vast majority in the middle who accept in a democracy that anything legal can exist whether we happen to like it or not.
By your definition, having any strongly-held opinion at all is fascist, unless you keep it quiet and make no attempt to put your point of view forward. You need to rethink your position.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 03:27 am |
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My opinion of the BNP is that while I don't personally like them, they appeal to an ever expanding sector of the population who aren't cunts and they have an absolute right to exist and be voted for in a democracy as long as they obey the law of the land. That I would hope is a moderate opinion shared by the majority of reasonable people. That they are a bunch of fascist twats and anybody who votes for them is a cunt is an extremist viewpoint and when repeated so often with no quarter is for me as or more fascist than the BNP are claimed to be. That they are somehow akin to the Nazi party in Germany is nonsense. That view of the BNP is a typical left wing position and over the years the left have been as or more fascist than the right that they so despise.
I hope that this answers your question too Dooley.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 07:20 am |
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I wasn't referring to your take on the BMP, I was pointing out that your logic in characterising Dooley's position as 'fascist' was fundamentally flawed.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 07:20 am |
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RC45er wrote: Paul
My opinion of the BNP is that while I don't personally like them, they appeal to an ever expanding sector of the population who aren't cunts and they have an absolute right to exist and be voted for in a democracy as long as they obey the law of the land. That I would hope is a moderate opinion shared by the majority of reasonable people. That they are a bunch of fascist twats and anybody who votes for them is a cunt is an extremist viewpoint and when repeated so often with no quarter is for me as or more fascist than the BNP are claimed to be. That they are somehow akin to the Nazi party in Germany is nonsense. That view of the BNP is a typical left wing position and over the years the left have been as or more fascist than the right that they so despise.
I hope that this answers your question too Dooley.
This smacks of the most terrible complacency, naivete and, well, stupidity. You don't really believe that the BNP, simply by 'obeying the law' (like anyone really believes that they don't have cacute riminal tendencies and sympathies) should just be allowed to carry on regardless, do you? 'Yeah, sure, Mr Griffin; just continue spewing forth your bile and garbage, preying on the weak, while we sit back and say nothing...'
Oh, hang on, you do believe that, don't you? If it wasn't so scary it'd be hilarious.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 08:12 am |
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rubbish answer, is that all you've got?
politically i'm not a lefty, btw. i'm slap bang in the middle. so it's your viewpoint that the only people who hate the BNP are lefties that's out of date. almost all of the tory party think they're cunts too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/apr/02/london08.london
and there's no excuse for overlooking the BNPs racism, i don't care what legitimate concerns they address
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 09:34 am |
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kraftwerk wrote: RC45er wrote: Paul
My opinion of the BNP is that while I don't personally like them, they appeal to an ever expanding sector of the population who aren't cunts and they have an absolute right to exist and be voted for in a democracy as long as they obey the law of the land. That I would hope is a moderate opinion shared by the majority of reasonable people. That they are a bunch of fascist twats and anybody who votes for them is a cunt is an extremist viewpoint and when repeated so often with no quarter is for me as or more fascist than the BNP are claimed to be. That they are somehow akin to the Nazi party in Germany is nonsense. That view of the BNP is a typical left wing position and over the years the left have been as or more fascist than the right that they so despise.
I hope that this answers your question too Dooley.
This smacks of the most terrible complacency, naivete and, well, stupidity. You don't really believe that the BNP, simply by 'obeying the law' (like anyone really believes that they don't have cacute riminal tendencies and sympathies) should just be allowed to carry on regardless, do you? 'Yeah, sure, Mr Griffin; just continue spewing forth your bile and garbage, preying on the weak, while we sit back and say nothing...'
Oh, hang on, you do believe that, don't you? If it wasn't so scary it'd be hilarious.
FFS - are they breaking the law? thats for a Judge to decide not you.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 09:36 am |
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Mav wrote: kraftwerk wrote: RC45er wrote: Paul
My opinion of the BNP is that while I don't personally like them, they appeal to an ever expanding sector of the population who aren't cunts and they have an absolute right to exist and be voted for in a democracy as long as they obey the law of the land. That I would hope is a moderate opinion shared by the majority of reasonable people. That they are a bunch of fascist twats and anybody who votes for them is a cunt is an extremist viewpoint and when repeated so often with no quarter is for me as or more fascist than the BNP are claimed to be. That they are somehow akin to the Nazi party in Germany is nonsense. That view of the BNP is a typical left wing position and over the years the left have been as or more fascist than the right that they so despise.
I hope that this answers your question too Dooley.
This smacks of the most terrible complacency, naivete and, well, stupidity. You don't really believe that the BNP, simply by 'obeying the law' (like anyone really believes that they don't have cacute riminal tendencies and sympathies) should just be allowed to carry on regardless, do you? 'Yeah, sure, Mr Griffin; just continue spewing forth your bile and garbage, preying on the weak, while we sit back and say nothing...'
Oh, hang on, you do believe that, don't you? If it wasn't so scary it'd be hilarious.
FFS - are they breaking the law? thats for a Judge to decide not you.
Point...
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:27 pm |
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At the last GE there were almost 200,000 people voted BNP in England, with the West Midlands, the North West and Yorkshire % Humber most highly represented. They had well over half of the total BNP votes between them.
They were the 4th placed party in the Yorkshie & Humber with nearly 3% of the vote and they've gained on their percentage of votes in every single region. It will be interesting to see what happens at the next one....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/ukfs_news/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/
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