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Cousin Jack Goudger
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:46 pm |
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(Go ahead, slash away! You are very tough critics, and I learn from you..... slowly, painfully, but learn I do!)
Why?
"What do you get out of it?"
"What? Get out of what?"
"What do you get out of riding a motorcycle...a bike? Especially on a day like today! Why?"
As the pretty grocery clerk scanned my few items and bagged them, I looked out of the supermarket windows at my storm-lashed Honda Nighthawk parked forlornly in the center of a wind-whipped puddle. Rainwater dripped steadily from the hem of my jacket to the floor.
"Well," I replied hesitantly. "I’m sure there’s something I get out of it, but I don’t know how to explain it to you just now....."
She laughed and shook her head, and then stuffed my receipt into the grocery bag.
How often are we asked this: why do we ride? And how often are we stumped for answers...? How do we explain to people who don’t ride why we do? It’s a problem. Most riders cop out by saying something like, "if I have to explain it to you, you wouldn’t understand." A true non-answer, that...
Years ago, as a high school counselor, human motivation was central to my career. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why kids behaved the way they did, and what it cost them or gained them. I was pretty good at it, but trying to explain my own riding behavior to others has always been difficult for me. But now, prompted by the laughing grocery clerk’s simple question, I’ve delved a little deeper into my motivation for riding based of my past professional experience and training.
Dr. William Glasser, a controversial American psychotherapist, has published a body of work that he first called Control Theory, and then, as it evolved, Choice Theory. He is controversial because he doesn’t really believe in mental illness. He believes that human beings always behave for a reason, and the reason is to get met certain basic psychological needs; and those needs are Belonging, Power, Freedom, and Fun. If a person is unhappy, it’s because his behavior is not getting him one of those four basic needs, and he or she doesn’t know what else to do. The theory is simple, workable, and the whole staff of the school in which I worked embraced Glasser and his practices. His theories seem to do as well as anything in explaining and redirecting human behavior. Let’s look at these needs a little closer, and how motorcycling might provide them......
Belonging: all people, no matter what their circumstances, need to belong, need to identify with others. Glasser believes that you need at least one other person to care whether you live or die, and that to have many, many more is much, much better. A group identity is crucial to all normal people, and they will move heaven and earth to get it. Many of the school dropouts or even school shooters in our country can be tragically and directly attributed to the student’s feeling that "he didn’t belong," that he was an outsider. Don’t believe that the sense of belonging might drive you to ride? Check the back of your riding jacket.... is there a patch on it? Do you wear a race replica helmet. Do you belong to a club or participate on a motorcycle forum? How often are you at the IOM? If you’re a Yank, have you been to Sturgis? How many of your friends ride? How often do you go out of your way to talk to other motorcyclists in a campground? Nice sense of belonging that comes with being a motorcyclist, huh?
Power: all people, no matter what their circumstances, need to possess some sort of power, or importance, some sort of expertise, that other people recognize as valuable. In schools, we used the term "something to be proud of......". Whether it was football, band, the physics club, cheerleading, or auto shop didn’t matter.... what mattered was that the kid was truly proud of it. If we could find one such thing for our kid, something he or she could be proud of, then we were home-free with that student. I am very proud of the extended tours I’ve done. In fact, I am so proud of them that I will go fifty miles out of my way to buy a pin commemorating the ride. I have a chestful of them. My wife thinks I look like Napoleon with them all stuck there glittering in the sun! Proud as a peacock, me! Again, check your jacket... is there a patch on it that makes you proud? Some pins? Do you keep personal records of elapsed times for favorite rides? Have you ever "done the ton?" Ever been to a Goldwing convention? You can read their whole riding history and level of expertise sewn on their vests!
Freedom: most people in modern society suffer from a lack of freedom, or, more subtly, the lack of sense of control. You can go to work, be the best you can be in your job, and still lose it to some peasant in Malaysia anyway. We suffer from the constraints and decisions made by people we never see. The current oil crisis is proof of that. Most suicides result from people believing that they have no choice, no control (Control Theory, Choice Theory?) of their personal life, and that no matter what they ever try to do, they will never succeed, never be happy again.... But what is that old saying, "you never see a motorcycle parked outside a psychologist’s office?" I believe that saying is literally true. The reason motorcyclists are happier than most is because when they are on their bike, they have this tremendous sense of freedom, perhaps illusionary, perhaps not, of control. Every choice, every control – at least for awhile – is up to you and you only. Your destiny is by and large under your hands. You can speed, bank, accelerate, brake and literally fly over mountains that would be insurmountable in any other way. You are as close to being truly free as you can get. Any motorcyclist, when pushed to the wall, will admit that the sense, or even the illusion, of total freedom is what he or she values most when they are out on their bike.
Fun: fun is very simply getting the first three needs well met. If you have people that care about you, if you belong, if you are proud of your riding, your expertise, and if you have the freedom to ride – then how in the devil can you not be happy? Admit it, your bike is one of the most fun-producing things in your life, right?
There you have it: we ride because it meets every single human need we have, and meets them well. I keep going back to that supermarket, especially when it’s raining, hoping to get that same clerk again, so that when she again asks me: "What do you get out of it? Why do you ride?" I’ll be able to say:
"Darlin’, I ride because it meets every psychological human need I have, every one, and better than anything else ever has! That’s why I ride, my pretty one, that’s why I ride!"
Last edited on Fri May 9th, 2008 11:58 pm by Cousin Jack Goudger
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 02:40 am |
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Jackie love i'm down with the 4 needs action but your dr glasser and his "no mentalists" jive seems a bit more than contraversial and more like stupidness. Has he started his own cult? does he keep bringing out more books with new updated theorys? does he have his own range of "health" foods?
I think maybe he doesn't believe in mentalists because he is infact a mentalist and that's like almost ironic.
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 04:41 am |
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I ride, wet, dry, cold, hot. don't care which, bring it on. 
Because I love it, dunno any other reason, always have, always will, never really did wanna psychoanalyze it.
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 07:45 am |
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CJG, I challenge you to make your next 100 posts here without mentioning your, or anyone else's, nationality.
Can you do it, do you think?
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 07:50 am |
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 01:09 pm |
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PaulR wrote: CJG, I challenge you to make your next 100 posts here without mentioning your, or anyone else's, nationality.
Can you do it, do you think?
No....and why would I? And what has that to do with the motivation to ride, which was the point of the piece? And, relatedly, nationalities exist -- and nationalism seems to becoming stronger in the world, not weaker. What's the point of trying to ignore that fact?
Regardless, I shall simply ignore your challenge.
http://inertiacrept.livejournal.com/43187.html
Eddy K.: No, William Glasser is not a cult leader, although his movement has it's own certification process. He admits to its controversial nature, but even controversial he's much loved "over here." I perhaps shouldn't have said he doesn't believe in mental illness; he, of course, believes in mental illnesses that have clear organic or genetic causes, such as schizophrenia and bi-polarism, but -- his central statement, that a person's mental distress is often caused by his freely chosen behavior not obtaining his common human needs, is a conceptual model, a model designed to try and put the problem in a workable concept. "Change your behavior, change your results." Most of his opposition comes from behaviorists and the Ding Dong Neo-Freudians, both of which are schools that maintain a person has no or very little control over his or her behavior. He has a branch "over there" (must be careful of Paul's sensitivity to this issue), called The Reality Therapy Center, UK, I believe..... not for everybody, of course. Regardless, hope you enjoyed it.....
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 04:21 pm |
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Cousin Jack Goudger wrote: PaulR wrote: CJG, I challenge you to make your next 100 posts here without mentioning your, or anyone else's, nationality.
Can you do it, do you think?
No....and why would I? And what has that to do with the motivation to ride, which was the point of the piece? And, relatedly, nationalities exist -- and nationalism seems to becoming stronger in the world, not weaker. What's the point of trying to ignore that fact?
Regardless, I shall simply ignore your challenge.
http://inertiacrept.livejournal.com/43187.html
Eddy K.: No, William Glasser is not a cult leader, although his movement has it's own certification process. He admits to its controversial nature, but even controversial he's much loved "over here." I perhaps shouldn't have said he doesn't believe in mental illness; he, of course, believes in mental illnesses that have clear organic or genetic causes, such as schizophrenia and bi-polarism, but -- his central statement, that a person's mental distress is often caused by his freely chosen behavior not obtaining his common human needs, is a conceptual model, a model designed to try and put the problem in a workable concept. "Change your behavior, change your results." Most of his opposition comes from behaviorists and the Ding Dong Neo-Freudians, both of which are schools that maintain a person has no or very little control over his or her behavior. He has a branch "over there" (must be careful of Paul's sensitivity to this issue), called The Reality Therapy Center, UK, I believe..... not for everybody, of course. Regardless, hope you enjoyed it.....
That makes more sense....where is his uk temple/branch/bunker??? i'm off to get sorted out and well happy like...
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 07:35 pm |
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Don't know if you're making fun of me or not, Eddie K, but.... it don't matter, really. 
Here ya go, if you were serious:
http://www.realitytherapyuk.com/
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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| I was making fun - i forgot to put a wink smiley.
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 08:08 pm |
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Jack, Can,t you have Bambi being hugged by some kids, instead of the Scope avitar.
We don,t have bears and wolves here, we killed them all, (incompatable with urban life apparently)
but hey we aint got the room, you do!!
Your avitar does you a disservice you ex hippy you
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 08:33 pm |
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petrid wrote: Jack, Can,t you have Bambi being hugged by some kids, instead of the Scope avitar.
We don,t have bears and wolves here, we killed them all, (incompatable with urban life apparently)
but hey we aint got the room, you do!!
Your avitar does you a disservice you ex hippy you
Petrid - i believe CJGs avatar is an ironic statement of his gun toting freedoms!!
PS Cousin Jack - makes interesting reading - I know i feel a lot happier whenever i get chance to get out on my bike for couple of hours !!
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 08:56 pm |
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You guys got it all wrong! That is a stylized version of the Mexican and American sport of Metallic Silhouette...... it's a rifle game similar to the old gallery shoots. Metal cut-outs of animals -- chicken, pig, turkey, and rams -- set out at various ranges on metal rails. You must shoot them in order, 2.5 minutes for a bank of five, and they must fly off the rails to count! Very satisfying.... Bam, clank, rattle-rattle. The game is shot all standing, no artificial supports or rests or shooting jackets. Hunting rifles, generally, with scopes. The chicken, about the size of a football, is at 200m. The pig, about two footballs, is at 300m. The turkey, the hardest to hit, a football with a neck and legs, is at 385m. And, finally, the ram, three footballs long is way, way out at 500m. Tough game!
Small bore variation: Chicken, the size of a squash ball, at 40 m, Pigs at 60, turkeys at 77m and rams at 100m. They are all 1/5 the size of the big ones.......
Exploding sport here, state, regional and national championships..... The game, by legend, started with Pancho Villa, Mexican Revolutionary, who would stake out live animals for his soldiers to practice with.... if they hit and killed the animal, they ate, if not, not! Evolved into metallic cutouts, and migrated north of the border.
http://members.cox.net/riflesilhouette/SilhouetteHistory.htm
Hunting? Haven't done that for years! But nothin' wrong with it, in my primitive Yankee mind..... deer isn't to hug, deer is to roast or fry! Besides, the buggers kill a lot of bikers.....
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Cousin Jack Goudger wrote: PaulR wrote: CJG, I challenge you to make your next 100 posts here without mentioning your, or anyone else's, nationality.
Can you do it, do you think?
No....and why would I? And what has that to do with the motivation to ride, which was the point of the piece? And, relatedly, nationalities exist -- and nationalism seems to becoming stronger in the world, not weaker. What's the point of trying to ignore that fact?
Regardless, I shall simply ignore your challenge.
OK, suit yourself. It's no skin off my nose, I just thought it might help you to be less of a caricature.
"And what has that to do with the motivation to ride, which was the point of the piece?"
That's exactly my point - you're the one who subtitled a post about motivation to ride 'more Yank drivel'.
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 11:55 pm |
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PaulR wrote:
OK, suit yourself. It's no skin off my nose, I just thought it might help you to be less of a caricature.
"And what has that to do with the motivation to ride, which was the point of the piece?"
That's exactly my point - you're the one who subtitled a post about motivation to ride 'more Yank drivel'
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Want to make sure I have it right! Caricature. Exaggeration by means of ludicrous distortion...... Well, I haven't much defense to that. If you perceive me as ludicrous, that's up to you and those that think like you. I doubt there is anything I could change about my posts that would make them less ludicrous to you, except purge from them everything about my place of origin, everything that makes me a bit unique on here: I could do that, I suppose, and pretend to be another Brit. Could... but what would be the point? I am a Yank. Should get some points for being on here, trying....don't you think? Probably not. Ah well...... and here I thought you were all about diversity.
As for the "Yank Drivel" comment, I have been called syrupy, treacly, out-of-touch, old, romantic, ghey, racist, and other things.... purely defensive, purely nerves, that subtitle...... tough to keep posting when everyone thinks you are ludicrous! Must be a masochist, me!
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 04:01 am |
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Paul does make a keen observation though, doesn't he?
You've been contributing to this site for a long while now and are regarded as a long term member. A good thing, naturally.
However, it does appear that almost every time you post, there is some kind of reference to the mighty US of A, despite the majority of posters being fully aware of your origins. One look at your avatar makes it more than clear.
I understand your sense of pride in your country, and your wish to stand tall and "be counted" but is it always necessary?
How often do you see anyone else refer to their country in a similar manner on here? And I'm not just talking about the the Brits here either.
Perhaps this is what sometimes sets off your perceived (for it really does not exist) anti-American attitude you think festers on here?
NOTE: Not a criticism, merely a passing comment.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:18 am |
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karTER wrote: One look at your avatar makes it more than clear. How often do you see anyone else refer to their country in a similar manner on here? And I'm not just talking about the the Brits here either.
Perhaps this is what sometimes sets off your perceived (for it really does not exist) anti-American attitude you think festers on here?
NOTE: Not a criticism, merely a passing comment.
Ya think? Well let me ask you this, do you really think Jack gets a fair crack of the whip on here, seeing as no-one on this forum younger than about 80 really understands the patriotism that exists in this country.
Whether you are on the left or right of politics, whether you are black, white or orange, whatever your disagreements, it doesn't matter, everyone here loves this country. it is not a matter of what class you are (not that that really exists to any relavent extent), what employment you seek or how much money you have, there is not a soul in the these here 50 states that would swap it for anywhere else.
I don't see a country anywhere with a problem with US immigrants, if you know one, let me know. And yes, UK immigration to the US is a problem, which is the reason I still have a year to go before I can take citizenship.
Some of the people I ride with fly a US flag on their bike, it's a matter of pride, it ain't meant to offend, it's just a statement of a flag of all nations, (not one of which is unaccounted for, a nation that encompasses everybody), when was the last time you saw a Union Jack flown from a bike? it didn't happen when I was there and my guess is, it still don't happen now, because basically, most people want to be somewhere else, if they had their way and that you have "PC" so far up your ass, it hurts. Last edited on Sun May 11th, 2008 05:46 am by chilidawg
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I'm sorry, but how is this relevant to my comment on Paul's observation?
By all means patriotic if you must, by why bring it to the site? We know you love Yanks and Yank Country and good for you. However, why do you feel that you must impart that onto us at every given opportunity?
Has it in fact occurred to you that we neither care nor are fussed? Your nationality has no bearing on this forum, as we are all equal here.
Or do you feel that America is superior to the rest of us here and need to remind us of how you feel, all the time?
If so, why? Trust me, no one really cares one way or another.
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Has anyone on here ever heard me -- ever once -- claim the U.S. is superior? Have I ever disparaged the UK.... ever? On the contrary, I started on this forum, and remain, a staunch admirer of the Brits and Brit institutions. My very first "fight" on here with Paul was when I stated that I thought the British Empire had been administered fairly and humanely compared to some. My God, he was so angry that you could almost hear the spittle bouncing off the keyboard!
It is true that I have defended my country, much to your collective outrage, on several issues, namely our way of confronting terrorism and our right to bear arms, but haven't I that right? Have I ever intimated that you should become like us? I really don't care that you allow the private ownership of firearms or not.... that's for you to decide.
What's wrong with me stating that I'm a Yank, even repeatedly? What harm can come of it? If you really don't care, as you just claimed, then why bother upbraiding me for it. I simply don't understand. And as for my avatar..... Jesus Christ! It represents a sport, nothing more nothing less. If I put the picture of a javelin, or a shotput, or a bow and arrow up on here, would you yet be outraged? How about a crossbow? Sling and stone? They were all once weapons of war, and now they are all (with the exception of the slingshot) sporting instruments. FFS.....
Funny, your country was once a bastion of freedom, the hope of the world. You once stood alone and unafraid against what was truly the Power of Darkness, and now you can't even tolerate one old Yank and his avatar...... What the fuck happened?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 06:31 am |
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karTER wrote: By all means patriotic if you must, by why bring it to the site? We know you love Yanks and Yank Country and good for you. However, why do you feel that you must impart that onto us at every given opportunity?
I don't do that, unless I feel it necessary to explain the situation, I am attempting to be the voice of reason here, as I have many years of expirience with both.
As for being a Yank, I am most assuredly not! Had your historical education included wars that you actually lost, then you would be aware that, Texas is of a lower latitude than the Mason-Dixon line.
Do you really think this forum would be better off without Cousin Jack, or do you really care? I think not, but that's the way it's going, it's basically only him and Greenpro that can string a sentence together and be entertaining.
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Cousin Jack Goudger wrote:
Has anyone on here ever heard me -- ever once -- claim the U.S. is superior? Have I ever disparaged the UK.... ever? On the contrary, I started on this forum, and remain, a staunch admirer of the Brits and Brit institutions. My very first "fight" on here with Paul was when I stated that I thought the British Empire had been administered fairly and humanely compared to some. My God, he was so angry that you could almost hear the spittle bouncing off the keyboard!
It is true that I have defended my country, much to your collective outrage, on several issues, namely our way of confronting terrorism and our right to bear arms, but haven't I that right? Have I ever intimated that you should become like us? I really don't care that you allow the private ownership of firearms or not.... that's for you to decide.
What's wrong with me stating that I'm a Yank, even repeatedly? What harm can come of it? If you really don't care, as you just claimed, then why bother upbraiding me for it. I simply don't understand. And as for my avatar..... Jesus Christ! It represents a sport, nothing more nothing less. If I put the picture of a javelin, or a shotput, or a bow and arrow up on here, would you yet be outraged? How about a crossbow? Sling and stone? They were all once weapons of war, and now they are all (with the exception of the slingshot) sporting instruments. FFS.....
Funny, your country was once a bastion of freedom, the hope of the world. You once stood alone and unafraid against what was truly the Power of Darkness, and now you can't even tolerate one old Yank and his avatar...... What the fuck happened?
And now there you are, visiting thunder and lightning on all that oppose you, careful Jack, remember to be "PC".
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Made in England - Texan by choice
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