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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 11:00 am |
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On a recent trip to germany, my tail pack came off at around 90ish and locked the back wheel- I managed to keep the bike upright just- but the skid destroyed my clothes and back tyre.
I then spoke to a mate in trading standards who told me about the death of girl caused by a tail pack, then when i was in motorbike shop, the sales man told me about one of the staff who lost most of the use of his arm because of the same thing-
What I want to know is, are tailpacks taking us out one by one....?
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 11:59 am |
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never heard about it myself - but will not use a tail pack for this reason.
(Not one that is deep enough to touch tyre while still attached to seat anyway)
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:09 pm |
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The thing was it was actually quite shallow, the thing just flipped around.
Until then I had not actually heard any horror stories- alhtough I would now alway recommend anyone against them
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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You could say the same about soft luggage though...
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:20 pm |
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I think that anything near the back wheel is pretty dangerous- although tankbags stop you tucking in, I would choose it everytime.
It just not worth the risk to me, although i think i was unlikly in knowing three people effected by them,
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:26 pm |
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did the tail pack fail? or was it just not secured properly
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:37 pm |
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| I've read bad stories about tail packs in the press. Get a rack and box. Probably get them on eBay for under £100.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:47 pm |
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I think its is something Bike should look into- from the feedback i am getting from my biking mates- its kind of urban legend type thing- someone knows someone whose mate died-
I work for publishing house, which archives pretty much all the newspapers in the UK, so i am just about to run a search and see if anything pops up there, will let you know.
I thought about a rack- if i had to put something on the back ever again, its probably what i would use,
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:50 pm |
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Lot's of things can hurt or kill riders.
Not securing soft luggage properly is one of them.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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I agree- getting on a bike is dangerous- and although I do lots of stupid things on a bike, i was on the way to nurburg ring when it happend.
I like to try and reduce as many risks as possible-
In regards to securing the thing- I am 100% sure it was on properly- I knew i would be hitting high speeds on the auto barn so i checked an double checked everything-
I have just run a search across a news database and I came up with this:
A MOTORBIKE parts company could face a charge of manslaughter after a police chief's daughter was killed in a crash.Jenny Brereton, 20, died when a luggage pannier on her 600cc motorbike worked loose causing her to lose control. Her father Bill Brereton, 47, the Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales Police, was following behind on his own motorbike.Motorcycle enthusiast Jenny died of multiple injuries a week afterthe crash on the M53 near Liverpool in May last year.Accessory firm Oxford Products, the manufacturers of the pannier, could face a charge of corporate manslaughter over Jenny's death.A Merseyside Police spokeswoman said, ``The crash investigation focused on the safety aspects of a luggage tail-pack fitted to the motorbike. ``A file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service in relation to possible offences which may have been committed by the manufacturers of the tailpack.''An inquest into Jenny's death has been adjourned while the CPS considered the case. A North Wales Police spokeswoman said Mr Brereton did not wish to comment on the matter at this stage.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:59 pm |
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nas wrote: I think its is something Bike should look into- from the feedback i am getting from my biking mates- its kind of urban legend type thing- someone knows someone whose mate died-
I work for publishing house, which archives pretty much all the newspapers in the UK, so i am just about to run a search and see if anything pops up there, will let you know.
I thought about a rack- if i had to put something on the back ever again, its probably what i would use,
RiDE has run many stories and tests on tailpacks
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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kraftwerk wrote: Get a rack and box.
Hmmmmmmmmmm dead with a tail pack or dead with a top box...............
Not sure that is a good swap tbh 
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 03:41 pm |
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 03:46 pm |
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| I am not going to take luggage any more... how long can you wear the same set of pants before it become stilton...
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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So what actually happened in your case ?
You don't actually say.
Was it a broken strap ? What exactly ?
Oh by the way, that case you posted, bought against Oxford is many years old. Oxford were cleared.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 03:51 pm |
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Mav wrote: Hmmmmmmmmmm dead with a tail pack or dead with a top box...............
Not sure that is a good swap tbh
Never heard of (nor had) any problems with a top box - enlighten me.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 04:01 pm |
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do you work for oxford....
I have just checked the case and they didnt win they lost-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_west/2939265.stm
On a serious note- I really dont know what happend- the one thing that is sure is that it was definalty tied on properly- I was travelling along at around 90ish when i heard an exploson-
I thought it was a blow out so I just let the bike coast to stop,
When i got off the bike, the tail pack was jammed under the rear fender and was on fire-
Somthing must have snapped the whole thing went backwards and ripped off of the number plate and rear tail holder, and with the speed i was going it should not have snapped!
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 04:05 pm |
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90ish - there's yer prob....or a dodgy bungie
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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I think you are probably right, I think the speed was probably the cause.. the reason i started the thread was because how many of us actually travel below 90-
Maybe it was stupidity on my behalf, but i would have assumed they would be good for anything below 120ish
I would definatly not get one again,
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 11:55 pm |
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nas wrote: do you work for oxford....
I have just checked the case and they didnt win they lost-
No it wasn't that straight forward, as your link illustrates.
Oxford were cleared of producing a faulty product, but admitted that the lack of instructions may have contributed to the accident.
In other words, the tail pack itself was not faulty and certainly not dangerous in itself, which your initial post implied.
It was simply incorrectly fitted.
I'm sorry but this is a clear case of the blame culture we live in, where if we make a mistake, it must be someone elses fault.
Many years ago I had an explosion in one of my throwover panniers that blew a hole out of the bottom, causing all my stuff inside to get scattered all over the motorway.
Was it the makers fault for not giving me proper instructions, or was it mine for being stupid enough to put my aerosol deodrant and shaving foam at the bottom nearest the hot exhaust.
Let's get real here.
There are no inherant dangers in soft luggage, other that some peoples incompetance when it come to fitting it including mine on that day, but at least I'm not too proud, (or arrogant), to admit it.
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