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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 03:28 pm |
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running it seems to be a painting the forth bridge kinda thing - a never ending cycle of rattly tensioners, shot bearings, pads and discs needing changing, cables needing lubing, oil changing, chain adjusting, tyres squaring, etc.
if i was to go out tomorrow and get everything done to my bike that needed doing i'd be out of pocket to the tune of a grand. and this is on a bike that's supposed to be comparatively easy to maintain
i understand the reasons why, i think. dealers wouldn't stay in business long if bikes were as maintenance free as cars, and most of us put performance above all else. but i reckon if someone did put out a bike that compromised performance for the sake of car like service intervals they'd sell by truck load
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 03:49 pm |
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| I agree,my bike is due its 4th service and its only 15 months old,you just wouldn`t get away with that on anything other than very specialist cars(evo 10s and track cars etc.)
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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but if you did 3* the average mileage in a car pr year you would have the same I think.
(Bar the rotting away bit)
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 04:41 pm |
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In truth I operate a policy of if it aint broke don't fix it. Service intervals etc are a guidline as far as I'm concerned. If the suspension is a bit soggy I'll ride round it. The only things I religiously stick to are tyres, oil + filter changes and valve clearances. Everything else you can pretty much tell if its not working by looking at it. Have you seen the silly things they put on service sheets recently? Some are so trivial like checking operation of the throttle cable!!!! Shit if you cant tell whether that is working or not you shouldn't be riding. as for paying someone to do that!!!! I maintain my bikes carefully believe it or not. What I don't do is spend money cos a manufacturer has told me too at a certain time. I replace things when they need replacing and adjust things when they need adjusting not when a mileometer or a manufacturer tell me to. Plus I do the work or most of it myself that way it definately gets done! There are ways to keep the cost down you just have to stop listening to the manufacturers and trust your own instincts feelings and eyes. I've had my Daytona two years or more, put 11000 on the clock and all I've had to do is change oil + filters, tyres, brake pads, and clean it. It works just fine goes fast handles ok and has cost me very little. The Scott oiler has meant that I havent even replaced the chain and only adjusted it twice!!!!! Other than that I've kept an eye on stuff lubricate things and keep it clean.
What you have to remember that compared to most cars which are utility vehichles, most bikes are actualy pretty powerfull specialised bits of kit. You cant compare a Fireblade or even a KTM etc with a Ford Fiesta.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 06:11 pm |
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12000 miles is the milage on it which is about service interval for cars isn`t it?
I would do the services myself,but that would invalidate my warranty and as I do quite few miles I`d like to keep it covered just incase.
I see what your saying about the type of car comparison,just wish the intervals were greater than 4000 miles
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 06:13 pm |
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..What about a rattly old Triumph??  
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 07:15 pm |
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| I think the main problem is the oil capacity, most cars hold a lot more than bikes do. I dont really see any reason some need such frequent services.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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i vaguely recall my hornet taking 3.5l, and my 1.8 mondeo takling 5l
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 11:05 pm |
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There's lots of ways of looking at it though.
Car - average annual mileage = 12,000 and service interval = 12,000.
Bike - average annual mileage = 4,000 and service interval = 4,000
Plus you have to remember that even something like a box standard Bandit is in a much higher state of tune than your average saloon, even the more sporty ones.
More and more new bikes are getting longer service intervals now and they're easier to service so should cost less than a car. Also if you take into account the cost of buying them in the first place, about £5k for a middle of the road 600/650 like the Fazer or Bandit compared £12.5k for an entry level Ford Focus, you've still got a wad of cash left over for servicing...
Basically, if you want cheap entry level 2 wheeled transport for city commuting, buy a brand new Chinese 125 scooter and bin it every 2 years.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 11:34 pm |
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BMW R1100/1150: minor service 6k (oil, filters, plugs, a four-year-old can do it), major service 12k (as 6k plus final drive oil, adjust valve clearances & balance throttle bodies. Or don't bother/skip every other one and just do that at 24k). No chain, no sprockets. Look at brake pads every now and then, don't lube the PTFE coated cables, just replace them every 30k.
But they smell of wee, apparently, so this easy service routine is only available to those who don't care... but they still sell by the truck load, relatively speaking. A secondhand one can be had for a couple of grand . The choice is yours.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 01:00 pm |
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i checked rs's on ebay after you posted this - the first one to come up was pictured in a graveyard
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 01:10 pm |
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Funnily enough I bought mine from its previous owner's widow.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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I don't think I could buy a bike with a 4K service interval - my last few have been 6K, and I think that's a bit strong. If I ever keep one long enough I'll be doing my own servicing after I've got the first three stamps at 18K.
I had my leg lifted recently after picking up a next-to-new bike at one dealer and then taking it to another for it's 600-mile inspection, hadn't expected to have to pay the labour on that one ...
It's a good point though, anyone on a reasonable spec bike full-time does have to spend a large amount of money or time on maintaining it, certainly relative to modern cars. I bought a new VW diesel a while back - see you in 20K miles for the first service sir. If you were going away for more than a fortnights holiday on a bike you'd have to factor in tyres & servicing.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 01:28 pm |
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In fairness (most) bikes have a ridiculous power-to-capacity ratio, and what are effectively miniaturised components, so they're going to be more fragile. And we insist on soft rubber for grip, which means fast wear. There aren't that many chain drive cars around for some reason. Diesel engines need less maintainance, but how many people would buy a diesel bike? Apart from Dooley?
100bhp per litre and shaft drive is car like, and gives car like service intervals.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 01:53 pm |
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A Honda C90 would appear to be the best option.
I've had several big miles BMW's, mostly K's, with very minimal servicing. Mostly oil and filters every 8-10,000 miles. Buying something second hand, with the early bits to break having been replaced has always worked for me. Then I bought a new 1200gs and had to replace the early bits to break myself. Back to second hand next I think.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 03:28 pm |
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that smart diesel engined gs in the last bike made my heart skip a beat
plz don't judge me for saying so
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:02 am |
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PaulR wrote:
Diesel engines need less maintainance, but how many people would buy a diesel bike?
Diesels often need more servicing. They give the oil a rather harder time, plus are more dependent on the fuel filters.
All the best
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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kickstart wrote: PaulR wrote:
Diesel engines need less maintainance, but how many people would buy a diesel bike?
Diesels often need more servicing. They give the oil a rather harder time, plus are more dependent on the fuel filters.
All the best
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My diesel monitors the condition of the engine, oil, filters etc and tells you when it needs a service. First service was required at 28.000 miles. Total servicing cost for the first three years (90,000 miles) is £400. Use quality oil and it will last in a modern designed diesel vehicle.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 02:09 am |
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PaulR wrote:
100bhp per litre and shaft drive is car like, and gives car like service intervals.
100bhp rear wheel for a car would still be a high state of tune. Bikes rev really high and wear components many times faster. I think if you want a bike that has service intervals like a car it would need to perform like a car, and nobody with a pulse would want that.
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