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tltourer
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 01:05 am |
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I wonder if the new twin capacity rules for super bike are actually detrimental to the average guy.
Personally, I prefer to see Vee twins develop to be lighter and sharper, rather than chase endless horsepower.
I dont really see the need to go over 1000cc, if Aprilia follow suit with a 1000+ that will leave only the Firestorm and the SV1000 as the one litre twins, neither of which is noted for its sublime handling.
I figure the 4cylinder bikes have got the HP race, its not what your average vee twin rider is after in a bike.
What do you think?
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 08:30 am |
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I always wish they would just free up the rules as much as possible so we got something different on the roads. Motorcycle design always seems a bit conservative. Maybe just a fuel limit and a rule saying that the race bikes can't be too different from what goes on production. Maybe road racing type circuits also so they were a bit more designed for bumpy stuff. The capacity/no of cylinders rules are a bit of a joke, just make the best thing possible that isn't too expensive.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 04:26 am |
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| For the road? definitely V twins are the way forward in my opinion. After a dozen or so years on them I decided to try a 1,000 cc 4 cyl and am now wondering why I have to slip the clutch to pull away two-up, and why the bike is so gutless under 5,000 rpm...
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 09:41 pm |
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what about the new moto morini 1200cc v twins? Light and powerful
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:03 pm |
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| the aprilia shiver 1200 V twin is being released next year, as it the V4 (i think) 1000cc in WSBK
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 08:33 pm |
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tltourer wrote:
Personally, I prefer to see Vee twins develop to be lighter and sharper, rather than chase endless horsepower.
I dont really see the need to go over 1000cc
agree 101%....but the Americans demand big cc's...Stateside..anything under 1800cc's is considered a bitches ride...sad but true
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tltourer
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 01:11 am |
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I heard the sport bike customer in the US is primarily black american?
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 12:19 pm |
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argentifa wrote: tltourer wrote:
Personally, I prefer to see Vee twins develop to be lighter and sharper, rather than chase endless horsepower.
I dont really see the need to go over 1000cc
agree 101%....but the Americans demand big cc's...Stateside..anything under 1800cc's is considered a bitches ride...sad but true
It depends what you want your V-twin to do. I agree 1000cc is plenty if it has highly oversquare cylinders and is tuned for peak bhp at say 9000rpm, but if you want a motor that feels fun between 1000-7000 rpm there's no substitute for cubes. Sadly emissions regs have also made it harder to make firebreathing low rpm twins without resorting to more capacity. Hence the cc hike in many brands.
My own 'little' 984cc Buell for example, has enough power for my needs, but if you want more serious stomp you need the 1200 version. Allas the latest catalitic exhaust models have been strangled a little by emission control devices which would require a 1280cc version to make up. There again you might prefer the extra 500rpm they offer.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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| Hmm yep I think it's a blind alley the V-twins, or any twins chasing pure HP. Its just not on. I have a dream that a 750 V-twin or parallel twin sportsbike will be produced one day that will be smaller dimensionally than a 600 IL-4 .
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 03:58 pm |
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Breva750 wrote: Hmm yep I think it's a blind alley the V-twins, or any twins chasing pure HP. Its just not on. I have a dream that a 750 V-twin or parallel twin sportsbike will be produced one day that will be smaller dimensionally than a 600 IL-4 .
Yep! Nicest twins are tuned for torque anyway. (Actually I miscalculated on my last post. You would only need a 1262cc Buell to match the torque of the earlier XB12's or buy the water cooled 1125).
750 sporting twin? Didn't Laverda do the 750 Formula S in the 1990's? Shame they seem to have disappeared! 
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