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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 08:31 am |
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Ok. Obvious thread topic, but despite James Toseland doing admirably well so far this season, I have found the last three races a little dull to watch.
We're simply not getting the high quality of racing that I was watching a few years ago. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about.
Now, I was reading that Dorna have noticed a drop-off in tv viewing and are looking at ways of bringing the excitement back. I am in favour of arming all riders with lead pipes (as in the old game - Road Rash) to whack each other with at turn one. But it won't happen and probably would be unfair on Dani who's not strong enough to swing one.
What's needed?
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 12:51 am |
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Lol road rash, what a game that was! That probably planted the idea that bikes are cool in my head right back from when I played it as a little kiddie on my mate's Sega Megadrive. 
I agree that hitting Dani with a lead pipe would make for entertaining television, though I can't quite seeing Dorna going for it...
Seriously though, I remeber reading something Kenny Roberts said in Bike a few years ago; he was saying that the tyres they use in MotoGP now have so much sidegrip that most of the time all the riders can take the fastest possible line through every corner without too much trouble, without having to fight the bike, and less able to fight with each other. I guess between that and all the electronic rider aids, they've managed to turn what should be the death-defying spectacle of riding insanely powerful motorcycles into something rather numb and clinical.
No doubt racing was better back in the day, when riders had to battle against crappy tyres and chassis that couldn't cope with the power of their bikes. Pure riding genius stands out more on a field of crude, rickety shonkers than one of highly-polished technological showpieces, and that's what people like. But I can hardly imagine anybody doing anything to bring the spectacle back; the riders are hardly going to agree to ride less safe bikes; bridgestone and michelin aren't going to want to supply half-arsed tyres, because the return for their investment in the sport is developing new technologies which might one day end up in road tyres; and the bike manufacturers are the same - what's the point of developping expensive race prototypes if they can't show off the very best technology they can produce, and which feeds into their road bikes, part of which will be electronics. To them, whether or not the racing is a spectacle for the average punter is a secondary concern at best.
Essentially we're buggered - though at least this year should be better than last year; the Stoner/Ducati/Bridgestone package doesn't seem to be nearly as dominant, so fingers crossed we might actually see at least a couple of proper battles this season.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 04:38 pm |
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Difficult one, but it's not all that bad yet, just a bit less good than it's heyday. Is it because tyres & chassis caught up with engines, and then engines got downgraded? If everything had developed unhindered then they'd be doing 300mph by now & the tyres would still be struggling.
I'd say electronic traction control has to go. Surely the ultimate factor separating the merely very talented from the riding Gods is their skilled control over an uncontrollably fast machine? Same goes for motor-racing, but they need to lose the aerodynamics too.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 01:25 pm |
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Both good replies. However I wasn't referring to the old days of the 80s and 90s, but just a few years back when we were watching Rossi and Gibernau (or whoever) hounding each other right up to the finish line.
I do acknowledge that the title looks very open this season, but the races themselves just don't seem to feature the overtaking and charges from the final bend to the finish line that used to make motogp stand apart from F1 etc.
We all know this is down to the smaller engines and rider aids but without getting rid of these things, I dont see how the racing can improve.
Is it going down the pan or am I just being pessimistic?
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 01:55 pm |
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hum... am I the only person who saw...
3 bikes coming round the last corner fighting side by side for 5th,6th,7th place at Jerez?!... (Toseland, Capirossi, Dovizioso -sp?)
3 bikes fighting for the lead at Estoril for at least the first half of the race... (Rossi, Lornezo, Pedrosa)
Stoner storming back up through the field at Estoril after coming off the track and climbing from dead last to 11th, only to come off again, but the charge was good to watch...
Don't forget we've had three race winners from three races too...
I'm enjoying the races a lot, and they're a damn sight more exciting than watching the Stoner "run away start to finish" races of last year.
I guess there's also the funny thoughts of... what's going through Rossi's head as he sees Lorenzo shining on the michelins he snubbed? what's going through stoners head as he sees Rossi charging away on the same tyres as him?
I have to say that if you want to see excitement... watch Toseland with his fairing bashing escapades!
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 02:10 pm |
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Are you telling me that you find the quality of racing as good now, as it was 3 or 4 years ago? I was on the edge of my seat watching the gp back then.
I've seen all of the things you refer to, but it's still not half as exciting as it was.
I'll say it again...Dorna have noticed a drop-off in tv viewing and are looking at ways of bringing the excitement back. What's needed?
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 09:39 am |
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...I'm no expert BUT..............get shot of that traction control I reckon...that will give alot of spectacle back!.......... ...............
traction control......................................
No traction control............................................... .................. yay!!!
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 10:15 pm |
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i never sleep wrote: Ok. Obvious thread topic, but despite James Toseland doing admirably well so far this season, I have found the last three races a little dull to watch.
We're simply not getting the high quality of racing that I was watching a few years ago. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about.
Now, I was reading that Dorna have noticed a drop-off in tv viewing and are looking at ways of bringing the excitement back. I am in favour of arming all riders with lead pipes (as in the old game - Road Rash) to whack each other with at turn one. But it won't happen and probably would be unfair on Dani who's not strong enough to swing one.
What's needed?
Titanium pipes?
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 11:46 am |
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What MotoGP needs is decent TV coverage!
I said this last season - by all means show the front but why not have another square showing down the field?
so split the screen if you must if there are two fights going on show them both!
This shows there is still some great racing going on and generates more income for the sport because the teams lower down get coverage so they can find sponsors!
I watched almost every race last year but could not tell you a sponsor from team Roberts.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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From watching Sundays race on Eurosport it dont need adjusting in any way,
123 all different bikes,
loads of position changes all through the field, a top race.
I agree though, ditch traction control.
Anybody see the 125 race, outstanding! edge of ya seat stuff, I love 125 racing
Kallio in the 250 race winning from way down at first,
A great days racing, a shame about the brits, but great racing non the less, or did I watch another race?
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 08:56 pm |
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What I saw was Rossi make an early overtake on Pedrosa, then the top three hold their positions till the end of the race, crossing the line with a big gap between them.
Lorenzo did well, but that wasn't enough to get me excited.
I'll maybe start watching the 125s and 250s like Pete.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 09:18 pm |
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When was the last time a non repsol Honda won a gp, i am guessing but i think it was Tamada and that was two seasons ago. You have to ask what is the point in leasing a Honda when the factory have already stated at the end of last season they will be getting what finished at Valencia (07) without any upgrades during the following season and the repsols (Dani) get chassis/pnuematics/gold levers and lama skin grips. Why would you lease one.
Yamaha seem to have a different approach, well so far this year, but then Rossi is winning, if for instance his results start to slip will they then throw everything at him at the expense of Edwards/Toseland.
So apart from the odd upset or bad weather i don't think we will have to look any further than the following for podiums all season long Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Edwards on a good day. But then you could say, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man U, Hamilton, Raikkenon, Massa, Alonso.
The Golden Years, ok Lawson, Rainey Schwantz and Doohan,
I think the point i am trying to make is it's always been the same just different names
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 09:23 pm |
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EDITTING: DON'T cut to the pit crew/fans just after an overtake - that's probably the time when red mist descends over the passee ( ?) and he has a go back OR the passer is gonna over-cook it and make a mistake.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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| For me GP is better than it has ever been in a time that it's having to absorb massive changes in world technology led by electronics. Riding 500 2Ts with lever linked throttle has gone. Modern riders still do exactly the same thing though which is to win with the available technology. They can do no more?
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