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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 02:12 am |
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 After nearly two years of going no where, you would begin to believe that there is no one out there that has any idea of the input our old time racers contributed to the modern bike today, the crusade that i have taken on, is not about me it is about thanking the sacrifice that was given by so many, Bill Ivy gave so much even his home town Maidstone and my birth place, there only world champ refuses to help, memory is the only thankyou we can offer now, Yamaha he was your world champ are you going to ignore too, someone must be out there to give me some help, Jawa you should come forward and admit that due to your bike he died, the rest should be simple WAKE UP TIME.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 09:33 am |
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| Might have helped if you could have supplied a few links to his achievements. Sorry, but I've never heard of the chap.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 09:42 am |
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karTER wrote: Might have helped if you could have supplied a few links to his achievements. Sorry, but I've never heard of the chap.
Google > Bill Ivy = http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Bill+Ivy&meta=
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petrid
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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 11:41 am |
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I watched Bill Ivy many times in the 60,s at Oulton park and Mallory, always great racing, and by all accounts a real gentleman.
A little known fact about the guy
He was the double for Marie Ann Faithful in the Film Girl on a Motorcycle , all the bike shots were him riding
Obviously not the bits where she gets her kit off
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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 06:13 pm |
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He was team mate to Phil Read in the works Yamaha team, they both rode in 125 and 250 classes. Team orders dictated that Read was to win the 250 crown and Ivy the 125, but Ready was a double dealing swine and couldn't be trusted. There was no love lost between the pair. Nothing changes much does it? Ivy lost his life in a racing accident riding a Jawa i think. When i was a lad i had a Bill Ivy replica helmet with a green ivy leaf painted on the front, the artwork was done by John Brandon who clocked up several TT sidecar podiums with Cliff Holland who co-owns the team i now work for. Feckin eck i'm old!
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karTER
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 05:25 am |
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Schtum wrote: karTER wrote: Might have helped if you could have supplied a few links to his achievements. Sorry, but I've never heard of the chap.
Google > Bill Ivy = http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Bill+Ivy&meta=
Does that like, work for anything?
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 06:07 am |
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| Many thanks for the replys, will try and fill in a few holes, yes Bill Ivy was a world champion in 1968 125cc Yamaha, he started at Brands Hatch on 50cc Itoms for his old bike shop, he partnered Phil Read a misstake he would later find out, however he was the first to lap at over 100mph at the Ilse of ManTT on a 125cc, he retired in 1969 to race i believe formula 2 race cars, but was tempted back by Jawa to race there 350cc he had a couple of 2nd places behind the great Agostini, but while testing in Germany the bike siezed and killed him, that team was then comunist state run, so no memorial was ever irected in his honour, only a small plaque in Maidstone museum, Maidstones only world champ ever so for the last two years have been trying to get someone to do something about this lach of respect, either Jawa who refuse to speak to me, Maidstone borough who are a bounch of prats in my book, or perhaps Yamaha who he was the world champ with, there is a lot of info but right now i need hep to put pressure on these parties any suggestions.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 10:20 am |
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karTER wrote: Does that like, work for anything?
Google > anything = http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=anything&meta=
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 01:20 pm |
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Great rider John, and I am surprised that some people have never heard of him. My own favourites from that time were Kel Carruthers, and this bloke -
Jack Findlay.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 02:29 pm |
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| I watched Bill Ivy and he was a fantastic rider. He was killed on the Jawa 350, is that what this is about?
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Posted: Sun Nov 18th, 2007 04:48 am |
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 Living in Thailand for the last ten years, does not help my case due to no media help over Bill Ivy and his death, however the fact is that i have taken this sadcrusade on, he and many of our heros deserve a little respect, as an example, not a well known fact when his body was brought back home, the metal casket that is sealed for obvious reasons ended up for public display in a scrap yard in Maidstone, what a great show of thanks to a WORLD CHAMP give me a daily news paper e-mail address, lets get this on the road.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18th, 2007 10:34 am |
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| Thanks for the background, he sounds like a top guy. I wish you well in your quest.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18th, 2007 05:02 pm |
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I would say your best bet for getting some recognition for the guy is to get in touch with the Isle of Man tourist board with a view to organising something during TT week. Maybe a Bill Ivy memorial ride-out to lay a wreath somewhere, and then see what support you can muster for a small memorial somewhere along the TT circuit. Good luck with whatever you try.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19th, 2007 05:06 am |
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Thanks for your suggestion have e-mailed the tourist board today, lets hope they have a positive reply for me, this quest has taken my life over , it really should not be that difficult, Maidstone his home town do not even mention him on there web site, there only world champ ever what a disgrace, will keep on trying to get some recognition for this great racer, one question does anybody no if JAWA are racing today if yes who is there sponcers if any CHEERS.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19th, 2007 11:38 am |
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john jones wrote: Thanks for your suggestionhave e-mailed the tourist board today, lets hope they have a positive reply for me, this quest has taken my life over , it really should not be that difficult, Maidstone his home town do not even mention him on there web site, there only world champ ever what a disgrace, will keep on trying to get some recognition for this great racer, one question does anybody no if JAWA are racing today if yes who is there sponcers if any CHEERS.
I believe Jawa still produce speedway bikes and are raced in the British league
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 12:48 am |
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Phil Read seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick in the Bill Ivy story. A lot was said about Ivy's performance at IOM-TT in 68. Question's as to wheather Read had won the race fair and square. I was at that race. On the last lap his engine was not sounding good, he slowed, Read overtook and won. It was a brillant race by both riders and respect to them, they were fantastic. Don't you think you are being a bit harsh on Read??
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 09:13 am |
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Cuthbert wrote: Phil Read seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick in the Bill Ivy story. A lot was said about Ivy's performance at IOM-TT in 68. Question's as to wheather Read had won the race fair and square. I was at that race. On the last lap his engine was not sounding good, he slowed, Read overtook and won. It was a brillant race by both riders and respect to them, they were fantastic. Don't you think you are being a bit harsh on Read??
Maybe. But he wasn't the most popular character in the paddock. A bloody good rider but you wouldn't want him as a team mate.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 09:37 am |
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lazzzydog wrote: Cuthbert wrote: Phil Read seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick in the Bill Ivy story. A lot was said about Ivy's performance at IOM-TT in 68. Question's as to wheather Read had won the race fair and square. I was at that race. On the last lap his engine was not sounding good, he slowed, Read overtook and won. It was a brillant race by both riders and respect to them, they were fantastic. Don't you think you are being a bit harsh on Read??
Maybe. But he wasn't the most popular character in the paddock. A bloody good rider but you wouldn't want him as a team mate.
True, do remember his fued with Hailwood,
Hailwood settled it by taking two Manx Nortons to Oulton park, giving Read the choice of bike and then beating him fair and square
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 11:28 am |
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Truth is these guys Ivy, Read, Hailwood, all are out there to win. Nothing else matters. Ivy's losing the 68 championship must have had a dramatic effect on him. That same year, at the height of his career he quit racing. How did he end up with a Chech team the following year. Why were Yamaha not interested in their former champ??
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Posted: Thu Nov 22nd, 2007 09:56 am |
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 Sad to say I believe Phil Read stiched Ivy up, but we are all forgetting the reason for me contacting Bikes forum, to get Bill Ivy the recognition he deserves, have e-mailed the Ilse of Man tourist board but no reply as yet and continue to contact other people, come on guys lets do a bit of sreaming in the back yard, anyone you no that might help JAWA ARE SPEEDWAY ENTERED ANYONE NO THERE SPONSERS lets see what they have to say, what about Yamaha he was there world champ,
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