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ExpatinIstanbul
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 06:49 am |
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karTER wrote: Starman wrote: PaulR wrote: Actually that's probably the problem: not that they'd want more cash, but that, given the state of magazine publishing and the kind of staff resources available for a magazine like Bike these days, I doubt if they've actually got time to do their proper jobs, let alone ponce about on a forum.
That does sound very likely.
I like the sound of Kahl's idea's for the forum .I see the individual areas for June and July issues have already appeared  To add to Kahl's thoughts the core areas should be policed strictly, maybe by Kahl, wheareas the usual pub-chat type stuff could be removed totally. Maybe a link to Trixyminx's site or the SEM site (sorry if these are not suitable, it is only a suggestion) would be good as this would be a good area to go to for general chit chat and fun with fellow bikers. Bike would be able to include a disclaimer and people who wanted to post stuff for sale, talk Wax Lyrical etc could do so. Would one of these sites be suitable for that sort of thing? Perhaps karTER could have his own site for this purpose, run by him with a little sponsorship from BIKe. You up for that karTer?
If I wanted to own/run a site, I could have down so ages ago, but it's not something I've ever wanted to do.
I like things the way they are.
Of course, because that would mean
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 07:31 am |
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Cousin Jack Goudger wrote: PaulR wrote: Cousin Jack Goudger wrote: This is very likely a simple, dumb question: for those that do not like the "talk about anything" section, can't they simply ignore it? Not access it?
(told you it was dumb!  )
I can't remember if it's ever come up: do you buy/read Bike magazine?
No, I don't....... very expensive to get over here.......
I read Rider, Wing World, and Motorcycle Consumer News... all U.S. publications.
Is it a requirement to read Bike in order to participate in the forums? If so, I didn't realize that......
but, of course, your response didn't quite answer my question, did it?
It's not up to me to answer your question - this isn't my site, I'm just a user.
And I didn't suggest that it was a 'requirement' to read Bike, I just asked if you did - no need to be so touchy.
I thought it probable that you didn't.
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 02:33 pm |
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wondered if you'd like an outsiders view? i mainly use the pb forum.
to be blunt i go there because its much more friendly and way funnier....
to be fair the forum is exceptional.
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 02:35 pm |
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james_christ wrote: wondered if you'd like an outsiders view? i mainly use the pb forum.
to be blunt i go there because its much more friendly and way funnier....
to be fair the forum is exceptional.
You might want to keep that quiet here...
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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PaulR wrote: james_christ wrote: wondered if you'd like an outsiders view? i mainly use the pb forum.
to be blunt i go there because its much more friendly and way funnier....
to be fair the forum is exceptional.
You might want to keep that quiet here...
Yeah can we stop broadcasting other forums I like here please? 
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 03:42 pm |
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ExpatinIstanbul wrote: karTER wrote: Starman wrote: PaulR wrote: Actually that's probably the problem: not that they'd want more cash, but that, given the state of magazine publishing and the kind of staff resources available for a magazine like Bike these days, I doubt if they've actually got time to do their proper jobs, let alone ponce about on a forum.
That does sound very likely.
I like the sound of Kahl's idea's for the forum .I see the individual areas for June and July issues have already appeared To add to Kahl's thoughts the core areas should be policed strictly, maybe by Kahl, wheareas the usual pub-chat type stuff could be removed totally. Maybe a link to Trixyminx's site or the SEM site (sorry if these are not suitable, it is only a suggestion) would be good as this would be a good area to go to for general chit chat and fun with fellow bikers. Bike would be able to include a disclaimer and people who wanted to post stuff for sale, talk Wax Lyrical etc could do so. Would one of these sites be suitable for that sort of thing? Perhaps karTER could have his own site for this purpose, run by him with a little sponsorship from BIKe. You up for that karTer?
If I wanted to own/run a site, I could have down so ages ago, but it's not something I've ever wanted to do.
I like things the way they are.
Of course, because that would mean
w................o..................r......................k
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 04:25 pm |
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i'd just like to add if you do start doing more kit reviews i will stage a dirty protest of sorts
this is no idle threat
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 12:30 pm |
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If someone was to offer me a job writing for Bike, I'd totally devote time to the forum. Hint hint.
I buy the mag.
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 10:32 pm |
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dooley wrote: i'd just like to add if you do start doing more kit reviews i will stage a dirty protest of sorts
this is no idle threat
I could quite happily read a mag with nearly all kit reviews and a little bit of bike reviews and no euro/africa/round the world touring shite. But thats because i'm a real biker and do it 24-7-365... and i'm a member of Which...
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 06:14 pm |
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can't you just buy the bumper ride mag that comes out every year?
i hate which magazine too. i looked at one a whiles back when i was getting a new point and shoot. almost every camera had a score of 80-90%, which to my mind means that all that testing was a waste fucking time
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 11:52 pm |
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In my ideal world they would test every bit of bike kit ever made every year and when the new stuff comes out test it against the stuff they've already tested....mmmm lovely
and i'm one of the people that they use for Which surveys which i like to think is because i'm such a discerning intelligent individual and it wasn't a random thing oh no
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 11:55 pm |
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f they tested which manufacturer would gouge you the most for even the most simple repairs then i'd say they had merit. but they don't so they don't.
i'll stick with amazon reviews, ta very much
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 03:23 pm |
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kragbell wrote: We seek no pleasure in evicting and hunting down banned members, indeed the forum sits upon a knife edge where the powers that be wonder whether it should be allowed to carry on. Whenever we read PB or Classic Bike's forums, we see friendly, helpful communities with hundreds of active, happy members.
Yet on Bike's forum, a few dozen posters keep it going while scores of new members approach and leave. Why? Likely put off by the constant in-fighting and bitching.
This forum needs a massive change in attitude and use, very quickly. How do we do that? Maybe harsher policing, more regulation and much more staff use. Maybe not. Who knows?
If it carries on this way, next time it blows a fuse, the voices calling for it to be resurrected will carry less weight.
posted by KhalH.
I wonder who the powers-that-be are. I wonder who the "voices" belong to.
"Yet on Bike's forum, a few dozen posters keep it going while scores of new members approach and leave. Why? Likely put off by the constant in-fighting and bitching. "
Speculation.
To be honest am I missing something ?
I do not delve into other people's personal life or induce anyone to fight or into an argument I have also not seen any fighting on the forum most of the posted replies I have seen are pretty good.Like I said maybe I am missing something but to be honest if people wanna fight on here (which is just a web-site forum) then these need a life as fighting over what is being said is a bit silly really unless the posted chat is attacking someone then it should be deleted.I do not know what it is with forums and people someone can put up something no one likes (with nothing attacking anyone within the post) and people jump on the band wagon pointing there finger and getting angry over nothing (get a life it's only a motorbike forum chill out) If anyone swears or bullies anyone chuck em off
I have never heard or read anything so silly on a motorbike forum tut tut I hardly come on here but when I do I hope my replies are within reason and to the topic of discussion I would like to say though My gripe would not be with the web-site but with the latest Magazine after reading just 3 articles it's in the Bin So dyer in interest that I chucked i may even pull my sub's if I get more of the same mostly adverts and dribble,I likes the furthest you can get in 24 hours pity there was not more writing about the bikes used or driving abroad.............still I liked it though erm what else did I like well erm erm erm (I am thinking) ahh yes rup paul's write up and what else I did say three but I cannot remember ahh well maybe next months will be better.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:01 pm |
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Khals ideas are good ones, but I'd question whether BIKE really gets any value out of running a forum at all, as it certainly doesn't seem to drive increased sales / loyalty or subscriptions etc.
I think it started well with the live-chats etc, but there is little BIKE magazine-specific content provided or, in-turn, requested. The occasional shout-outs for certain demographics for features are too far & few between to justify tuning in every day and were probably better served under the previous email system.
I believe BIKE is the best monthly magazine, but the "broad church-ness" that I enjoy about it sadly doesn't transfer well across to a forum format where fan-boys tend to prefer to congregate with their own kind (eg: niche model-specific groups or PB etc) or meet up in the middle for a big fight (eg: here or MCN). Lord knows how TWO manage with theirs.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:18 pm |
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I noticed a comment from the forum made it as letter of the month in the most recent issue. That must count for something.
Maybe the mag could continue along that vein, get users opinions on stuff before it goes to print.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 06:06 pm |
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eddieknocker wrote: dooley wrote: i'd just like to add if you do start doing more kit reviews i will stage a dirty protest of sorts
this is no idle threat
I could quite happily read a mag with nearly all kit reviews and a little bit of bike reviews and no euro/africa/round the world touring shite. But thats because i'm a real biker and do it 24-7-365... and i'm a member of Which...
I like the bike kit testing too can read all day about jackets,boots etc wouldnt it be good to do a few clothing kit's from get geared instead of the mainstream makers. Last edited on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 06:07 pm by magpiemale
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 07:29 pm |
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I’ve only been here 2 mins but the site seems rather disjointed and it appears its being kept going by an enthusiastic handful.
I also belong to 2 other sites, one bike orientated for the 675 but its rather Yankee doodle dandy and its laced with words missing the letter U and made up words like wanna, gotta – you get the picture.
It’s rather cliquey and they have banning’s, warnings and folks told to behave themselves but the show goes on and on…
The other is an expat site that is completely un-moderated and you can post what the hell you like as long as it’s legal.
Im an overseas subscriber (that misses out of lots of freebies) and apart from the site logo I don’t see an obvious link to the mag.
(An opportunity is being missed by the folks at Bike I feel/sense.)
Anyway, I had a nice blast today on the bike as I dropped it for its 2 year service and was given a 94 sprint as a loaner…
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 04:13 am |
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I'd suggest there is a definite link to the mag if the journos drop in and contribute on their own time, as they do. Plus it offers a "real time" arena for continuing a discussion or topic that was featured in the magazine.
As to the returning value? I am unsure of the annual cost, but would hazard a guess there would be change out of a ton; hardly a figure to bankrupt a person, let alone a company.
However, as BIKe sticks its name up on the tin, and the company has a massive reputation to protect, they have an absolute right to do so- as they see fit. If they attempt to guide the forum away from certain styles of posting/posters, that is their prerogative.
All my opinion, of course.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 07:57 am |
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 09:04 am |
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Trixyminx wrote: I blame Dooley.
He is also responsible for global warming.
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